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Overwhelmed by your thoughtful emails, and always slow to update xmasresistance.org, Elf Thumper and Satanta invite you to post your Christmas Resistance-related comments here. This is a better way to share your ideas, suggestions, love and hate with the rest of the world, without going through our lazy (s)elves.
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Have fun! Go crazy! Vive la Resistance!
posted by Nina Paley @ 12/10/2004 08:06:00 PM
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91 Comments:
http://www.thespod.com/showStory.php?storyid=68
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Cool site... Dumpster dived christmas gift is really nice, with some work and paint, you can get something almost christmas looking. I did it a my work party gift exchange, and didn't got hurt, nor fired, which is good sign !
I would like to suggest one thing, to those who doesn't like making christmas gift exchange, and will get killed if they don't: think huge. Huge and inexpensive crap (think toilet paper) is showing the society as it really is (people fighting for useless stuff), and make you even more sick about it.
Last comment: try to survive Christmas time in an east-coast small city (main industry: pig farming) family when you are vegetarian and not drinking alcohol.
What can I answer to such a statement: "...yes but baby Jesus received presents himself."?
cool website. except its all a load of BS! you're all queers who can't have fun @ crimbo. Get a life u tree-hugging freaks and get laid. cept u neva will.
"cool website. except its all a load of BS! you're all queers who can't have fun @ crimbo. Get a life u tree-hugging freaks and get laid. cept u neva will."
Maybe you should take your time and read the Bible instead of insulting people. Christmas is a big load of hypocrity, Jesus wasn't even born in december. He was born around the 1st of october.
Just read the Bible, what are people "celebrating" at Christmas then? Humanity has not a clue, and yet lots of people call themselves Christians.
Hypocrity, all over Earth. Althought I don't live by the rules of the Bible, I've read some of it, and Christmas = NOT correct, should be neglected and forgotten.
It was invented by stupid yanks (sorry). "Oh Santa brings the presents for the children". This, is rotten, I can't believe how can people be so blind, also fooling their children.
Oh and 1 more important note: Neither Jesus or Jehova asked us to celebrate them. NEVER
2nd note: For non-believers the above might seem weird but I explain. God (known as, Jehova) has written what he wants people to do in the Holy Bible.
Whether you believe in god (Jehova, is the name, god is just there to show his power over the existant world [hence the saying "godlike"]) or not, this book is an interesting read, since it proves many things which people think are right, wrong.
Doh, not Peggys post, the 1 before her post :)
And no, I refuse to buy presents, I even asked my family not to buy me anything :p
xmas sucks
There's a nice secular alternative to Christmas which has recently sprung up on the internet, known as Agnostica ( http://www.agnostica.com/ ) It just struck me as the sort of thing this crowd would be interested in.
Saturn was the Roman god of agriculture, after whom Saturday is named. Saturnalia was the most popular of Roman holidays, with "Marti-Gras"-like street celebrations occurring between December 17th (birthday of Saturn) and December 24th, ending with feasting on December 25th. Halls were decked with evergreens. There was an exchange of gifts, principally wax candles and little clay dolls. Authority figures, however, were given tribute in the form of urns, jewelry, coins or gold. Romans parading in the streets wearing masks during Saturnalia began a tradition which continues today in the form of "mummers"
Christmas as celebrated by Catholics and early Protestants a few hundred years ago was not the secular holiday we recognize today. It was a "Christes Maesee" (Old English for Christ's Mass) or Nativity service plus a large family dinner.
The English Puritans felt that there was "no biblical sanction" for Christmas -- regarding the holiday as Pope-ish and bacchanalian. Oliver Cromwell campaigned against the heathen practices of feasting, decorating and singing, which he felt desecrated the spirit of Christ. Cromwell's government abolished English Christmas celebration by an act of Parliament in 1647, and the ban was not lifted until Cromwell lost power in 1660.
This is just the tip of the "iceberg" so to speak,about the holiday. So you see.....Christmas is a culmination of several Pagan holidays rolled into one by people of power through history
I'm a resister ....just because in almost all shops it seems that Christmas-time begins more than a month before 25th december......it's Christmas for two month a year....
it's Christmas a season?
maybe the season of waste...
This is a good service to humanity. I am running a campaign of t-shirt wearing-mall parading. I am making t-shirts that ask "How do you feel today?" and "Do you feel loved today?" and perhaps "Merry Santamas",etc...and wearing them while strolling through the malls.
"Christmas" makes me sick. It is precisely what is wrong with humans.
Hm, maybe a good christmas present would be to write down a compliment or an "I love you" on a piece of paper for the ones who try to make us feel guilty. Of course, I can't think of many compliments for anyone who is inclined to make me feel guilty. They are not nice people.
Christmas Sucks!!!
I'm happy not many xmas muppets come here trolling.
christmas is a toy of satan.
TY for this website. Being Jewish, I've had enuff of Christmas shoved down my throat. I was raised to believe there was a separation between Church & State but when it comes down to 12/25, I'm just a dirty Jew. It's refreshing to see that goyim hate this 'holiday' as well.
xmas became just a commercial 'celebration' and that makes ppl depressed because not everybody can buy expensive presents..Xmas is also seen as a family celebration, but there are so many ppl without family or good friends who don't wanna join this 'total happiness'. And Santa..oh yeah, another american commercial invention. It's pathetic to see the invasion of Santas in these days. People almost forgot what xmas really means- the birth of Jesus- not the coming of Santa on the Elf!...lol So...
Vive la resistance!
Perhaps it would have been more accurate to call your web site the "holiday materialism resistance movement", since you aren't against Christmas, but against the extreme commercialism that the materialism culture has created around it and the other winter holidays.
As it is, "Christmas Resistance Movement" could be offensive to those who celebrate the meaning of the holiday. There is already a huge anti-christmas religious persecution being waged by extreme secularists around the world. I don't think you're trying to identify yourself with that persecution.
Merry Christmas!
Evan
Sorry if I speak in french, but my english is poor.
Oui je partage votre point de vue. Je ne supporte plus la fête sur commande à date fixe, fête qui n'est plus qu'un immense opération commerciale et à l'opposé de sa signification première. Seulement, ce point de vue ne peut être que celui d'un adulte ! Je ne pense pas qu'un enfant puisse le tenir, pour lui, cela reste un moment de l'année attendu avec impatience et si je peux me passer des cadeaux sans problème, j'aurais mal au coeur d'en priver un enfant !... Difficile de concilier la chose, non ?
Sorry if I speak in french, but my english is poor.
Oui je partage votre point de vue. Je ne supporte plus la fête sur commande à date fixe, fête qui n'est plus qu'un immense opération commerciale et à l'opposé de sa signification première. Seulement, ce point de vue ne peut être que celui d'un adulte ! Je ne pense pas qu'un enfant puisse le tenir, pour lui, cela reste un moment de l'année attendu avec impatience et si je peux me passer des cadeaux sans problème, j'aurais mal au coeur d'en priver un enfant !... Difficile de concilier la chose, non ?
Despite the fact Jesus was born around the 1st of october, the 25 of december is a chosen date to celebrate the birth of jesus, a savior and king. He may not ask to be celebrated, but who does? Celebrating is fun and without fun, what is the point of life. Holidays break up the responsibilities of the year and increase our value of life.
This website imply's that the only way to celebrate xmas is to spend surplus amounts of money in expensive shops. This is simply untrue. I am only 15 years old and i spend only a small amount of money in stores, and i do not recieve highly expensive gifts. Maybe you all need to be reminded of what a majical time xmas is for children. Decorating the tree, the smells and lights, and the belief father christmas will be visiting because they've been so good that year. The way children still believe in magic. By taking away the delights of xmas you are also taking away their innocence.
What is the harm in a celebration, or fun and being merry? Poor people still celebrate xmas so what is the fuss about? Its about giving and taking. If those who support the xmas resistance dont like to give then you are simply bad people, and do not deserve to take anything from any1 at xmas.
I love Christmas. My house is the only one on my block with a nativity in the yard. I celabrate the message of Peace on Earth ! Goodwill to All! On Christmas this year we will be adding something new to the homemade baked goods and Scripture Reading--I'm gonna fry the turkey!! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
RE: What can I answer to such a statement: "...yes but baby Jesus received presents himself."?
Actually he recieved them at a toddler age, I also like the comment that he never asked for a gift reciept. He also wasn't born on december 25th! We've just re-named Hercule's birthday to Jesus birthday and by doing so said that, oh, now Christians can celebrate Christmas because it's REALLY about his brithday when yet it has only been that way VERY recently.... Satan worship is still satab worship by any other name. By the logic they've used to turn Christmas into a "Christian" holiday I can turn around and say that I'm going to celebrate "Satan's Fall" but call it "Christs Victory Day" and still be pleasing to God... give me a break... It's all demon worship. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck and acts like a duck.. it's a Duck. A Rose by any other name is still a rose. I think it's time everyone woke up and smelled the roses and see why every Evil king of israel erected the Giant penis everywhere just as we do and give it lots of balls hanging from it... And why ever Good king of Israel was one who cut them off.... Lets go Laurana Bobbit on Christmas!
For those of you who care about the truth in the Bible and are defending Christmas as a "Christian Holiday":
Lets look at this logically... Read the Old Testament, discover WHY God beat the shit out of, killing millions of, HIS people because they celebrated this same pagan holiday. Find out which kings he calls Good, for cutting down Christmas Trees (aka. Asherah Poles), and which kings he calls evil because they condone and celebrate this same day. Connect the Dots, Christmas celebration hasn't changed one bit. All the components of the original pagan practices are exactly the same, the difference is we call it celebrating God. Do you think we're so different from the Israelites? Do you think that we're better than them and aren't succumbing to the same Lie that Satan told them? For those of you too lazy to compose a list of verses and do the study for yourself and want it outlined, I've spend 2 days straight with very little sleep compiling lists to the WHOLE Bible explaining what God thinks of your self determined worship. God sets the days for worship, read Leviticus if you really wanna show God your worship you can easily follow the days he said we should worship and replace the day that is set aside for Satan Claus worship. Get down the the root of the problem. If you can read this 7 page paper and still say that you are justified in celebrating Asherah Poles and Hercule's birthday and Saturnalia and all the other satanic days that are set for this time then I guess you deserve to burn in hell!
http://www.dh-network.com/~joel/Asherah%20Poles.doc
Shalom,
Joel
I resist Christmas as a matter of biblical prohibition against the celebration of pagan holidays. But I do not appreciate the use of messiah's death on the stake in a visual for ad busters.
Who started this and why? I don't need a world movement to resist. But maybe you can do some good by sending the "bible believers" into their history books so they can discover what they are really doing.
Thanks for letting me post. Deboryahu
Hello there,
Haent celebrated christmas in years, glad im not the only one lol :)
Keep up the goodwork all.
Matt - UK
fuck christmas its gay
It's not so much abput Mercury and saturn as it is about MITHRAS. Mithras' birthday os December 25. Read all about it.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa122397b.htm
http://www.well.com/user/davidu/mithras.html
Great website! At last I can feel like I'm not the only one.
But on a slightly different tangent....why are multiples of 365 deemed to be significant?? Why are we supposed to celebrate birthdays, anniversaries, Xmas etc yearly? December 25th 2004 has no relation to Dec 25th 2003 or any other year other than the names given to those days by us.
I don't do birthdays or anniversaries either. I prefer to pick random days to do something special/give presents for the people around me. That way you're not doing it just because everyone else is or because you feel obliged to, and it's more of a surprise too!
I have been resisting Christmas for some 25+ years now.
Another Anti-Christmas Site.
SATAN CLAWS
i'll bet that almost everyone of you went to bed december 24 and couldn't sleep because santa claus was comming some time that night. and in the morning your face would light up as you looked at allthose presents under a beautfully decorated tree that you and your family put together. and when you opened up all of you presents you would spend the day playing with them then you would either go visiting or people would visit you and then you would sit down to a big family dinner and talk about important or nonimportant things loke hows jonny doing in school ore jane has grown so the last time you seen her. if you look it's not the presents that you get that makes christmas or when god was born it is family and friends the fact that people everywhare stop to enjoy the holidays. its the look on a childs face that a man so important as santa remembered whare they lived and what they wanted. i mean during the world war our side and the other stoped even tho they were 15 feet from one another to enjoy one night that ment so much to them you say that you boycot christmas i say that you are not looking at the right side of it at all you picked the ugly side of it to pick at you have to look deeper and get the whole picture and remember the real meaning of christmas love, family comming together, and friends
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I hate the christian concept of christmas,those in power at the time literally stole (pagan) holidays and changed them to suit the christ and biblical image. Hence the saying, christmas has pagan roots. Winter solstice is the current proper name for christmas.
Hi, enjoyed your blog/site related to **Christmas** I'm going to add your
You wanna know why we celebrate Christmas? Maybe Jesus was not born on that day. Somethings are inaccurate about this holiday
But the reason we celebrate it is because it is the TIME WE GET TOGETHER WITH OUR FAMILIES AND CELEBRATE WHAT WE HAVE YOU MORONS.
God you people are so wrapped up around the dumbest critical statements about money and crap. Thats something you dont have to tell every one, keep it to yourself!
The rest of us enjoy being around other family members and exchanging gifts to show that we care!
WERE SORRY THAT MAYBE THOSE WHO RESIST THIS HOLIDAY HAVE NEVER EVEN GOTTEN A PRESENT WHICH IS WHY THEY PROBABLY RESENT THIS HOLIDAY
DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH YOUR LIFE!
In that case I hope you are not enjoying any time off over christmas. Now get back to work!!
Christmas itself is a non-Christian holiday anyway, as is Easter, aka the Feast of Ishtar (a fertility cult). The early X-ians glommed on to the Roman holiday Saturnalia, but Jesus wasn't even born in December, since shepherds couldn't have been watching their flocks by night in that case. Christmas is simply a dressed up form of Winter Solstice pagan worship, which the Catholic Church loves since it is a glorified pagan institution anyway. There's even a faux Chick tract on the web which makes fun of Christmas. The True Jesus Church, an Oriental Oneness Pentecostal group, doesn't even celebrate X-mas or Easter, and the Puritans LOCKED the doors of churches during X-mas so folks WOULDN'T go to church and celebrate what they called Fool's Tide.
I wanted to print your home page so I could memorize some of it--but since it is printed in white on red, that is not possible. I'm wondering why you decided not to let those of us who agree with you keep your message
something that concerns me about the christmas tradition that i haven't seen mentioned on this site is the meaningless destruction of perfectly good trees. especially the large specimen that is chopped down for the shite house (oops, i mean white).
let's stop the mutiny! and if you must enjoy a fresh tree in the house, by all means, plant it when you're finished!
may the druid in us all delight
with a christmas free of plight
in the forests drenched in white
and clear of arborium fright
The history of gift giving dates all the way back to Jesus (as some have already mentioned). If you are going to go against this gift exchange, then I hope you don't exptect anyone to get YOU a birthday present! The enchanging of gifts on Christmas is an expression of the agape love of God. If you make it anything else, then you are the one that is wrong. I totally agree that there are a LOT of people who claim to be Christian that don't act like they are, but there are some of us that do! If you don't understand the idea of agape love, I suggest you get a Bible and start reading the Christmas story and from there, go to the Easter story!!
To the ananymous person that said God never told us to celebrate Him: Another word for celebrate is rejoice. I suggest you look at the 258 times the word rejoice is used in the Bible. Example:
Psalms 28:7 - The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him.
God Bless!
This is a great subject. Thought I'd leave a link:
[url]http://www.macliberals.com/wordpress/?p=362[/url]
It's nice to know I'm not the only one who hates Xmas! I wish I could post a photo I took on December 25th a couple of years ago: a fully decorated Xmas tree sticking out of a dumpster. True story. By the way, those Xmas trees that have been drying out for a month or so inside people's homes will burn very well. They become plentiful in January. Do your neighborhood a favor: collect a few and start a bonfire!
It might be all over the TV and in the shops but there's one place
Christmas can't reach you: inside a book.
So if you're looking for a place of refuge check out:
http://www.readitswapit.co.uk/
It's a free book exchange site.
Also, if you have to give a gift at Xmas, at least it won't cost you
anything if you swap your old book for a new one on the site.
And you could be sure to pick one that will make anyone who reads it
miserable. That'll teach whoever it is to expect a present at
Christmas!
To Skykas(and others):
Where does it mention banning christmas anywhere on this site? I missed that bit. Turning away from consumerisim is a very long way from turning away from religion.
You say you could accomplish more in a day than throwing a site like this together? Well I'll wager you could: here are some suggestions.
Read a book on ettiquite.
Take a couple of courses in spelling and grammar(yours are atrocious).
Think about the fact that people exist whose views don't match your own. This was still legal, last I checked.
You think THIS site is bad? You can always go to mine. Now that's a good 4 years worth of wasted time.
I think I've always hated Christmas, even when I was a kid. I would get gifts of stuff I didn't like and didn't want and had to pretend to like it. As an adult, I had years of lean earnings when having to buy useless stuff for relatives I hardly ever saw was a huge burden. I did it only out of social pressure, and I learned the hard way that if you try to opt out, there will be consequences. People will say unkind things about you. If you express dislike of Christmas in public, people will hold it against you. This winter holiday is a sacred cow in American culture -- you are not allowed to dissent from it. However, I've gotten older now and, mercifully, the number of people I feel socally obligated to buy for has shrunk to 2 (my mother and my daughter). I made sure I got inexpensive things they really need. I will not have a tree or any decorations or do anything else for this unwanted holiday. My husband and I quit buying for each other years ago. I am delighted to find this website and learn there are others like me who would love for Christmas to simply go away and leave us alone.
Christmas is CRASS!
Whoever came up with the brilliant idea of dragging a tree indoors and hanging a bunch of hardware on it? And those whore-house lights and mylar spaghetti... what's up with that?
To whom it may concern,
The inhabitants of this part of the world were having mid winter festivals, i.e. a couple of days of partying to break the winter monotony long before Christianity high-jacked the party and called it Christmas.
People need a distraction from the depressive weather etc. and they get a sense of belonging;to a family,to a group of friends...or perhaps to a group of like minded "individuals" (Ha!)who share their all consuming superiority complex associated with their believe of their true insight into how things really work.
I agree with that guys suggestion in the letters page of you all staying in bed, so you won't spoil the fun. And by the way, are any of you self-sufficient organic farmers, not in receipt of agricultural subsidy payments and managing to cloth, entertain and transport yourselves (and family) without the help of a for-profit-organization (corporation)? I think not, but anyway enjoy your little alternate paradigm.
If it wasn't Christmas it would be something else, hell even your anti-Christmas idea might get popular, but have no doubt the "corporations" would corrupt it. "Jeez dude you just can win.....
Happy Christmas
From
Johnny Corpo
Fat of the Land
Your Back
Hi : )
I'm a born again Christian & I have never celebrated the pagan festival of 'Christmas'.
For all you Christians out there - in case you never realised - practicing what Jesus taught did not include lying to your children, wasting your lives & money & energy on consumerism & gluttony, following the crowd, filling your homes with luxury goods & creating unequality.
I live in an intentional community where we share all our posessions with each other and share ALL our money in one common purse. We live as simply as possible & we show our love for each other & Jesus in daily living - serving & caring & sharing our lives with each other. We don't need to give presents on one day a year - we give love daily.
I just wonder if anybody realises there is an alternative to this destructive, money loving, pleasure grabbing, selfish society where so many people are really lonely... create a new culture create Christian community & really celebrate our revolutionary Jesus!
Kat, UK
...I'm not anyonymous, I just don't feel like wasting the time to register. I'm not an Xian, and I don't decorate or have an Xmas tree. I say "Happy Holidays" to tick off the right-wing freakazoids who think you're tearing away at their God, and hence the fabric of American society, for acknowledging Thanksgiving, Hanukkah, and New Year's Day among the other holidays. And I say "Merry Christmas" to tick off the left-wing freakazoids who think the word "Christmas" somehow establishes a state religion they'll be required to practice or else be slowly tortured to death (oh wait...different religion) and obliterates the imaginary wall between church and state. (Congress passed a law making "Christmas" a national holiday, but now you're not supposed to say the word, like it's an obscenity or something. Goofy.) I frequently say both phrases at once to be sure I'm ticking the person off correctly. I also use the word "Xmas" to tick off the ignorant louts who believe it's "X-ing Christ out of Christmas", blissfully unaware the X stands for the Greek letter chi, the first letter in the word Kristos (that would be "Christ") and has been around for over a thousand years. When you say Xmas, you ARE honoring the name of Christ and saying "Christmas". Oops, maybe YOU ignorant louts didn't know that either.
I love spending money at Xmas time and buying gifts for people. It stimulates and improves the economy (which we know people think is a GOOD thing, if they ever pummel President Bush over "the sluggish economy" he inherited). If it weren't for Xmas, most people would be so wrapped up (pardon the pun--or don't, I don't give a crap) in their own selfishness, they'd NEVER think of giving anything to someone else. So at least once a year we have an excuse to remind ourselves of our human side. How ironic--buying stuff and stimulating the heartless economy, making us more human. THAT's gotta tickle your cockles.
I'm now signing off this carefully crafted, communistic (there, I said the c-word), anti-family, anti-fun, anti-economic growth web site (however still with a prominent "Make A Donation" button, I noticed!--nice touch--it sucks to give at this time of year, unless it's to YOU!) and going to the biggest, glitziest mall in town, to just revel in the colors, sounds, smells, sights of people enjoying their prosperity, and bold consumption. And I'll--*gasp*--CONSUME. Ahh, the commerce, the buying, the gift-giving, the thinking of the perfect gift for someone they love, the expectation of the smile when the person sees what was chosen for them, a symbol, a representation of a feeling that says, "Hey I know it's been SUGGESTED that I buy you something--but I did it anyway, because I wanted to." Crass consumerism at its best.
Good ol' America--it sucks so bad, people from all over by the thousands still risk their lives every single day, nearly naked on flimsy rafts in shark-infested waters, hoping against hope just to barely reach the shores and have a tiny SHOT at living here and participating in the horror.
I know you'll have fun today too, wishing people a happy....er,...um, a Merry Go Fuck Yourself.
--hyjyljyj
This will be the last Christmas i will be celebrating, from here on out i will no longer give in to the fascist "holiday" that is christmas.
Christmas is the most fascist, consumerist holiday in the year. I mean, its not even about religion anymore, its about BUYING stuff. About being OBLIGATED to purchess at redicules prices!!!
Think about it:
Santa Clause: A Megalomaniac's Brainchild to increase profits on the holiday season.
The Christmas Tree: Nothing to do with Christ's birthday (they didnt even HAVE pine trees in bethlahem!), thus another megalomaniac brainchild...
Christmas Carols: Other than the ones about Christ, the rest are yet another profit increasing tactic
...the list goes on and on.
Hi.
Stumbled upon this site in my never ending quest to find and easter bunny. I thought I would add my self important opinion.
I'm not a big fan of Christmas. Put it another way I hate it, but not because of any religious reasons. I'm Agnostic, so it makes my life in that department so much easier. I hate it because big corporations use it to sell bunch of crap to consumers, and warp people minds in to thinking that your love/respect/friendship for another person is directly proportional to how much you spent on a gift for them.
If you want to "celebrate" Christmas, go ahead. Just instead of buying expensive (or not so expensive) gifts for your friends and loved ones, or toys for your spoiled children (thats a whole other topic), just have a quite family dinner with your family and friends. Ask yourself how long has it been since you had a dinner that didn't involve TV in the background, someone on the cellphone, or someone overstressed with work and your whole family present?
I think your comments about Christmas being commercialized are totally right. Everyone has tried to take Jesus Christ out of Christmas but think about it, were it not for God sending His son Jesus Christ to us in the human form of a baby to take the place of us in paying for our sins, there would be no Christmas. I get into every once in a while buying gifts for the less fortunate neighborhoods but I know the birth of Jesus is the reason for the season and I hope your readers can appreciate that it's about Jesus and not buying stuff!
THIS SITE SUCKS. IF YOU DON'T LIKE CHRISTMAS, GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. YOU PEOPLE SHOULD LIVE IN A COMMUNIST COUNTRY. PLEASE LEAVE AMERICA AND DO US A FAVOR. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LUCKY YOU ARE.
For one thing, jmanx.com/images/funny/Evil%20Santa.jpg
And another thing, ENOUGH with the patriotism! That person is stuck in the 1950's. We are the thief of the world's wealth, not its source. We back one side in a war so that we can install a bunch of criminals that make personally rich with aid and loans. Those criminals plunder the country and use the inherently criminal and inexcusable institution of government to back our corporate criminals. Despite our shallow lifestyle, cops, bosses and yuppies have most of the guns and practice, and we have no rights at all.
Just because you can run from the criminals to another country if necessary, or reason with them, or they are not that bad to us, or they're white USA'ers, or they can make you their yuppie worker/accomplice, or because instead of you just buying whatever you need, they rob you and give a little back under their evil administration, or the bosses make working class criminals kill loads of "innocent people" - accomplices - and sort of fight other working class criminals, or because of whatever silly reason you can come up with, does not make evil good or good into evil. You might know these reasons as: leaving, democracy, minimal government, nationalism, yuppie nationalism, coordinating resources, and police and military protection.
And another thing. "Communist" countries never claimed to be communist. Basically, "state socialism" is the form of the capitalist state that happens when you call the cops on all yuppies. Here are some details: They claimed that their system was a combination of socialism and the state, which would destroy "bourgeoisie" forces. The state was claimed to be the domination of any class over any other. As "bourgeoisie" forces were destroyed, the state would gradually disappear into a society without class, and therefore without the state.
Third, dissidents were there in every single social revolution in the USA. Enemies of the state fight for your freedoms, while "our troops" murder Kent State University students and spy on vegans. (infoshop.org/inews/index.php?topic=18)
The only solution is to go without cops, bosses, and yuppies. The goal is anarchy and communism. Anarchy is not chaos as The Man says, but where the innocent are protected from harm and involuntary temptation, while the guilty are found and brought to justice. Communism is an individualist situation where each has what they need so they can do what they want. The transition is socialism, an immediate rejection of cops, bosses and luxury, and the use of work, money, and exchange to make as many things that people need as possible, as a tool against work, money and exchange.
For one thing, jmanx.com/images/funny/Evil%20Santa.jpg
Second, ENOUGH with the patriotism! That person is stuck in the 1950's. We are the thief of the world's wealth, not its source. We back one side in a war so that we can install a bunch of criminals that we make personally rich with aid and loans. Those criminals plunder that country and use the inherently criminal and inexcusable institution of government to back our corporate criminals. Despite our shallow lifestyle, cops, bosses and yuppies have most of the guns and practice, and we have no rights at all.
Just because you can run from the criminals to another country if necessary, or reason with them, or they are not that bad to us, or they're white USA'ers, or they can make you their yuppie worker/accomplice, or because instead of you just buying whatever you need, they rob you and give a little back under their evil administration, or the bosses make working class criminals kill loads of "innocent people" - accomplices - and sort of fight other working class criminals, or because of whatever silly reason you can come up with, does not make evil good or good into evil. You might know these reasons as: leaving, democracy, minimal government, nationalism, yuppie nationalism, coordinating resources, and police and military protection.
Third, “Communist” countries never claimed to be communist. Basically, “state socialism” is the form of the capitalist state that happens when you call the cops on all yuppies. Here are some details: They claimed that their system was a combination of socialism and the state, where the working class would “dominate” yuppie fugitives and destroy “bourgeoisie social forces”. The state was claimed to be the “domination” of any class over any other. As “the bourgeoisie” were destroyed, the state would automatically disappear into a society without class, and therefore without the state.
Fourth, dissidents were there in every single social revolution in the USA. Enemies of the state fight for your freedoms, while “our troops” murder Kent State University students and spy on vegans. (infoshop.org/inews/index.php?topic=18)
The only solution is to go without cops, bosses, and yuppies. The goal is anarchy and communism. Anarchy is not chaos as The Man says, but where the innocent are protected from harm and from being forced to do wrong, while the guilty are found and brought to justice. Communism is an individualist situation where each has what they need so they can do what they want. The transition to a stateless, classless society is Anarcho-socialism, an immediate rejection of cops, bosses and luxury. Socialism is the use of work, money, and exchange to make as many things that people need as possible, as a tool against work, money and exchange.
Sorry for the repeat.
I can't believe I just wasted my time reading this crap. X-mas sucks but all of you have nothing better to do then to freakin complain. That is actually whats wrong with society. It is full of complaining babies. Grow up if you don't like it then feed santa laxitive cookies then he won't be able to make all his stops. Come on people shut the hell up stop complaining and do somthing productive. Oh and just so everybody the bible is a really good book of morals nothing more nothing less, morons.
YOU F****** FREAKS OF NATURE. JESUS GOT PRESENTS AT CHRISTMAS FROM THE WISE MEN AND HE DIDN'T GET ANNOYED SO WHY DON'T YOU CUT THE CRAP. CHRISTMAS IS A TIME OF GIVING (PRESENT, LOVE AND CARE) PRESENTS HAVE BEEN A PART OF CHRISTMAS EVER SINCE THE VERY FIRST CHRISTMAS. SO CUT YOUR DAMNED CRAP.
fuk off i like christmass and litterin fuk the world ill only live another 30 years fuck it evryone litter no do it and ur all gay
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christmas means nothing to me, jus that you have to spend loads of money which i dont have ;-( xmas is pants
If you don't want to celebrate Christmas, then don't. You don't need to put down others. What's your next 'anti' site? Anti-smiles? Anti-happiness? Anti-self-fulfillment? The point is, if you are against it, no one is making you celebrate it. Don't infringe on others' beliefs by acting as though you are superior by going against a group of people's beliefs. Your incessant whining is foolish and annoying and I am sorry I spent one second listening to it after stumbling onto this site. No one cares what you do. Put glass bottles in your ____ if you want to do it. Just don't bother the rest of us who aren't interested with your 'superiority'. So keep up your silly 'against the crowd' mentality while simply feeding off of it. Just stop putting others down and don't bother the rest of us. I swear, if someone in my family or circles of friends came up and said that to me, I would laugh in their face. You want to spread negativity, go ahead. Why not use your time to actually HELP something, like a school or orphanage or something, rather than putting stuff down. And no, I am not whining in response to your whining, just sending a friendly SHUT UP, leave us alone!
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LOVE YOU GUYS!!! The Western world is deeply uneasy. It is coming to doubt the utility and sanctity of some of it's tradidtional virtues, those on which it based its moral tranquillity and it's self-respect. The bourgeois' industry and thrift are considered more and more injurous to society; the soldiers undaunted heroism is no longer required; unbridled patriotism has led men and nations to tragic mistakes; morality has lost some of its shining certainty; laws have become fluid. The era of nations, proud of their racial superiority, masters of their own destinies, is at an end. Everybody's life is governed by the decisions of distant and practically unknown men. The regimentation of an industrial mass society is becoming more and more stifling. People are kept working like galley slaves of old by their desire to conquer more and more garish material possessions. We are fed ready-made ideas, are supplied with art approved by the authorities, entertained by the same shows, dazzled by the same ceremonies, stirred by the same slogans, moved by the same collective emotions. Loneliness and tedium envelop many/most of us whenever we can get out of the uproar long enough to think about ourselves. It's high time to return to the art of living--that disreputable art of the ancients. La dolce vita. I'm not an anti-capitalist, but there MUST be some counter weight--capitalism with a form of checks and balance. This is one of many good ways to begin to affect that change.
(This post was very affirming to run across as I did so completely accidentally--happy holidays and thanks for making me smile!)
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Why is everybody bashing Saturnalia? It is a lovely story and sumptuous ritual that is more near to the meaning of "Christmas" than what we do today. Put your bibles down for a moment and consider: the so called "good" book was written by an assortment of anonymous scribes who had no more of a hotline to "You-Know-Who" than we do ourselves. Embrace the Ancients as well as the Moderns. The same wisdom and ignorance shines through all of the ages...it just get's renamed something from age to age. Love yourselves and embrace your fellow humans and planet, cosmos and beyond--WITH, OR WITHOUT THEOLOGY.
Happy Holidays!
It is important to make every effort to take the "Christ" out of XMas and focus your attentions on the Winter Solstice for any celebration.
A party for friends and family on Winter Solstice does not have to be an extravagant affair and gifts would be verboten.
Make it very clear to all, what you are doing and why.
Bury the Christ myth wherever you can.
Keep up the good work! We're supporing Christmas resistance here!
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I like that.
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Not sure if anyone posted this description of the Roman god Mithras:
Mithras was a divine being borne of a human virgin on December 25th (the Winter Solstice by the Roman Julian calendar), his birth watched and worshipped by shepherds. As an adult, Mithras healed the sick, made the lame walk, gave sight to the blind and raised the dead. Before returning to heaven at the Spring Equinox Mithras had a last supper with 12 disciples (representing the 12 signs of the Zodiac). Mithraism included Zoroastrian beliefs in the struggle between good & evil, symbolized as light & darkness. This militaristic black-and-white morality (including a final judgment affecting an afterlife of heaven or hell) probably accounted for the popularity of Mithraism among Roman soldiers. Mithraism was like an ancient fraternity: a mystery cult open only to men which had seven degrees of initiation -- including the ritual of baptism and a sacred meal of bread & wine representing the body & blood of Mithras. Late in the second century AD Commodus became the first Roman emperor to be initiated into Mithraism. The priests of Mithraism were called Father -- Christians at the time were forbidden to use "Rabbi" or "Father" in reference to church leaders based on the admonition in Matthew 23:8−9.
Roman god Mithras?
You are Americans, and Americans like Christmas! As Dear leader instructs: you are either for US or against US.
Think about this, and go to your local Box Mart and spend your savings. Otherwise, pack your bags and move to the Peoples Republic of Canada.
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Got Christmas? If not, spend some more money!
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Hypnotic Christmas carols do not translate well into Japanese Language. Retailers struggle in Tokyo developing alternative mind control devices to enable American style hyper consumerism.
What we should do is promote a real "Old fashioned Christmas" Just like our forefathers celebrated -lets say- The Pilgrims. What did they do on this special time of year.
Nothing- they worked, or went to school. There was no celebration, no decoration, no gifts, no songs. Dec 25th was a Pagan celebration, It was NOT the day for Jesus. There wasnt even a special church service that day.
So when everybody else is out buying- wear a peice of Thanksgiving jewelry and tell people that your celebrating a Pilgrims Xmas- which is nothing.
Christmas IS the OLD PAGAN celebrations. It was the church that IMPOSED the celebration of JESUS on the ANCIENT DECEMBER HOLIDAY to try to usurp the energy. So, no need in hairsplitting "pagan" vs. "Jesus"...Christmas is now and has been from the very beginning....BOTH. Plus, there are quite a few of us out there that are sensing that "Jesus" has become the new "PAGAN" religion just exactly like "Zeus" before him.
So just have a SECULAR holiday from work and toil and if there is a way to celebrate the neo-pagan Chistian/Jewish holiday with GENERAL goodwill and energy, then do so without spending money on junk. Decorate by using found-objects. Spend what little money you can in buying FOOD to SHARE and NOURISH your friendships and family members.
Let's not turn into THE GRINCH. If the pagans want to celebrate Christmas then it's OK. We can have a good time too...just let's do so responsibly and with creativity and good-will.
cristmas is a big joke,just like the trash that love it. DARKONE 666
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Christmas for the poor is no different day of the year. The poor and homeless are still disreguarded,shunned, prayed for (what a sorry excuse not to help someone else...even the holy bible tell us,"the poor, we have with us always". Christmas is a Coka Cola financial bonanza. Christmas brings on a depression so deep, that death seems simply a way to escape, the hipocracy and forget the thousands going to sleep hungry.
Christmas is on Dec 25th! Go Christmas! Sean Baden Germany
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The right way to celebrate Krismus.
I've always celebrated Krismus by buying myself that one thing I've been saving up all year long for.
I'm never disappointed, never need to take my gift back and never go over budget.
Everyone that knows me knows that I never buy presents for others and that I don't like others giving me presents, and amazingly, they all still like me. :)
If everyone simply bought themselves the one thing they wanted each year for Krismus, it would be a wonderfully happy holiday - no suicides, no guilt, no Coca Cola Satan Clause.
The really nice part would be the complete dissolution of all the corporate parasites that aquire 80%of their annual profit from Krismus sales alone. :)
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